tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post4561612902595933945..comments2024-03-27T03:03:44.660-04:00Comments on Vleeptron_Z: Glenn Gould and Cornelia Foss -- music, art, love, passion, heartbreakVleeptron Dudehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-25637689173552357432017-10-01T02:58:51.374-04:002017-10-01T02:58:51.374-04:00Cher et Salut Anonymous Emmanuel S. --
Well, that...Cher et Salut Anonymous Emmanuel S. --<br /><br />Well, that's if you're in Paris, France. But if you're in Paris, Texas (rent this amazing Wim Wenders movie starring the late Harry Dean Stanton), then Howdy Partner!<br /><br />Hope you get Vleeptron Dude's reply. The previous commenter condemned everybody for various adult consensual but Biblicly forbidden monkey business. I hope I remember this right, but James Branch Cabbel said (something very close to):<br /><br />* Of all our regrets, the coldest and most empty are of temptations we have successfully resisted. *<br /><br />My experience -- long and variegated -- makes me conclude that if you want to make, and are able to make Good Art, you also need Love (preferably with adult human beings) and Passionate Experiences. many of these things, in retrospect, were Big Mistakes, but artists can recycle these in paintings or sonatas.<br /><br />If you're Paris, France, quel arrondisiment? Come on, tell VD something about yourself? Do you paint or piano?<br /><br />Merci for the interesting comment. Et merci for not being a rigid puritan about amour and passion and (to lapse into circa 1920 American idiom) Whoopee. (Glenn seems to have had an unhappy puritanical side which is not my favorite facet of The Master.)<br /><br />Vleeptron Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-39455607826722328382017-09-30T10:27:52.629-04:002017-09-30T10:27:52.629-04:00What a chance Glenn Gould had to fall in love and ...What a chance Glenn Gould had to fall in love and be loved by Cornelia Foss in return<br />He and she kept their private life private, remaining dedicated to crafting higher art and music, even when caught in deep sadness<br /> <br />What a chance we have to have Golberg variations by Glenn Gould, ultimate art and essence of music <br />A blessing in life <br /><br />Emmanuel S. - Paris<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-51413828878152997042017-07-23T17:48:16.562-04:002017-07-23T17:48:16.562-04:00yo Anonymous the Fourth
after your violation of t...yo Anonymous the Fourth<br /><br />after your violation of the First Law of Vleeptron -- no Anonymous Driveby Comments -- you have broken another rule I didn't even know existed. Your questions have illuminated my ignorance (enormous) of every aspect and link of GG's life.<br /><br />If you read this reply, pls write another comment explaining who the heck all these people in your first comment are/were. I SHOULD know, most people on f_minor already know, but -- for christ's sake, i can barely read sheet music. I just love the noises, and I certainly never attended the Eastman School or anything remotely resembling it.<br /><br /><br /><br />Vleeptron Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-44992500374744661362017-07-22T15:25:34.470-04:002017-07-22T15:25:34.470-04:00could Dell be monica gaylord? she used to be marr...could Dell be monica gaylord? she used to be married to chuck daellenbach, the founder/tubist of canadian brass?<br /><br />i went to school with monica daellenbach at eastman school of music. she and chuck were very happily married. they left for toronto when chuck got a teaching job at u.toronto in 1970. chuck was fun, monica was smart, sophisticated, classy in dress and manner, and a beautiful girl. she was always proper and aloof, though socially nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-21430788493851945112016-07-30T16:59:50.861-04:002016-07-30T16:59:50.861-04:00We're two people caught up in a flame
that has...We're two people caught up in a flame<br />that has to die down soon<br />I didn't mean to start this fire<br />and neither did you<br /><br />So tonight when I hold you tight <br />we'll let the fire burn on<br />and we'll sweep out the ashes in the morning<br /><br />-- Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris<br />Vleeptron Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-74479525713104154092016-07-30T16:56:44.218-04:002016-07-30T16:56:44.218-04:00Madam, you have violated the First Rule of Vleeptr...Madam, you have violated the First Rule of Vleeptron: No Anonymous Driveby Comments.<br /><br />Please identify yourself, name, website, Social Security Number, identifying tatts, etc. (If you should choose to unmask, just tell Vleeptron Dude you want to keep this whole thing entre nous, and VD will be happy to take your secrets with him to the grave.)<br /><br />I suspect you play some sort of classical axe. Could you at least name the instrument? I don't think stalkers can track you down from every female in every the woodwind section of Earth.<br /><br />By a goofy coincidence, I got a Maestro buddy who knew and greatly admired Lukas, they'd served on a competition panel. (And by an incomprehensible ignorance of Celeb Gossip, he hadn't known about the GG connection.)<br /><br />Look ... in Small Words ...<br /><br />(1.) GG was stark-raving nuts. Just for a respectful taste, see the wonderful movie "Thirty Two Short Films About Glenn Gould."<br /><br />(2.) Next time, however Not Young you may have become, take the offered thrill ride with the Spouse. (As my wife's mother told her: "Try not to frighten the horses." i.e., Be As Discreet As You Can.)<br /><br />(3.) (and I feel most instructive) We are rapping about la Vie des Artistes here. <br /><br />I applaud your youthful adherence to the VIth or VIIth Commandment, I was raised -- and educated in endless years of religious school -- with the same ideal of moral behavior regarding this Mortal Sin which was years beyond my experience or opportunity. <br /><br />Truly talented artists throughout history, of all genders, make their own rules regarding sex, love, relationships, infidelity yadda yadda. (c.f. another swell flick, "Lady Caroline Lamb." There's also lots of Hot Stuff about Lady Caroline and her Mad, Bad and Dangerous To Know bf, on-line and in those old book things.)<br /><br />"Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Matthew 7:1-3)<br /><br />I've truly not wished to be harsh or offensive. But what you're griping about is, alas, The Way of the World. Despite angry and threatening Sunday sermons, suck it up. GG and Cornelia did it, Chopin and George Sand did it, everybody in the NYU Theater Department (varsity & faculty) did it.<br /><br />"Electric eels, so they say, do it<br />Though it shocks them I know<br />Why ask if shad do it?<br />Waiter, bring me shad roe"<br /><br />-- Cole Porter (who did it)<br /><br />I used to chat with some talented high-school instrumentalists, and they were all steamed because a girl they didn't like won a recital competition. I told them to tell her, "Congratulations -- and maybe someday you'll understand what the piece means."<br /><br />I got Artiste credentials and i.d. myself. I'm very happily and scrupulously faithfully married now. But in my Youth, I fell in with Bad Companions and was de temps en temps Led Astray. I don't want my Happy Marriage challenged or threatened (though I suspect she's sweet on the local butchers, Chuck and Stew).<br /><br />But I also don't want my Life Experiences -- the transcendental ones, the tsunamis of passion and Bad Judgment, the ones that were criminal offenses in many U.S. states -- attacked and invalidated. I'm not running for President, ain't nobody's business but my own if I had a Mazola Party at NYU.<br /><br />Respectfully,<br /><br />Goofy Bob the Artiste<br /><br />Vleeptron Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-88095034332201298922016-07-30T06:11:37.132-04:002016-07-30T06:11:37.132-04:00No coments or empathy for Lukas? The lonliness h...No coments or empathy for Lukas? The lonliness he endoured, the loss of his kids.? I met Lukas at the Hollywood bowl and we sated and we became lovers after his wife took off. He was wonderful and sensitive and deep. When I found out he was still martied, I stopped seeing jim....now I wish I had continued. We had a certain synergy, so rare but i was so young and didnt believe in taking someones husband.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-80513539852817849642013-10-08T09:59:51.883-04:002013-10-08T09:59:51.883-04:00Thank you for sharing the great story.solo music a...Thank you for sharing the great story.<a href="http://www.melogia.com/" rel="nofollow">solo music artist</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17610183129138894331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-78699314285570675672013-10-01T02:43:14.193-04:002013-10-01T02:43:14.193-04:00Wondrous Strange: The Life and Art of Glenn Gould....Wondrous Strange: The Life and Art of Glenn Gould.These are some great thought .<a href="http://www.melogia.com/" rel="nofollow">solo music artist</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17610183129138894331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-90609515219770040252013-09-24T08:22:27.000-04:002013-09-24T08:22:27.000-04:00Your story about your love is really nice.solo mus... Your story about your love is really nice.<a href="http://www.melogia.com/" rel="nofollow">solo music artist</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17610183129138894331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-18482803140171096292012-03-14T16:36:13.603-04:002012-03-14T16:36:13.603-04:00Hiya David Burke --
Whether or not they *should* ...Hiya David Burke --<br /><br />Whether or not they *should* have broken the rules, this is the way talented artists have always been. <br /><br />As for the price the children paid, I've recently seen interviews with them -- now all grown up -- and they remember their time with Glenn Gould with great fondness; their time with him clearly enriched their childhood.<br /><br />Till the end of time, talented artists will pay little or no heed to society's conventional expectations. Yet we remember what the artists left us with gratitude, and are willing to overlook the rules they broke.Vleeptron Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-14538988272867998162012-03-14T11:48:09.141-04:002012-03-14T11:48:09.141-04:00I was a little dissapointed about hearing that Gle...I was a little dissapointed about hearing that Glen Gould had a relationship with Cornelia. It is wrong to court a married person even if you are famous. The children will pay the price later.neurohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03198281832638455878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-20264264251966063072012-03-14T11:47:43.814-04:002012-03-14T11:47:43.814-04:00I was a little dissapointed about hearing that Gle...I was a little dissapointed about hearing that Glen Gould had a relationship with Cornelia. It is wrong to court a married person even if you are famous.<br />The childrens always pay the price later one.neurohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03198281832638455878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-15954941273593556402011-10-09T04:21:15.136-04:002011-10-09T04:21:15.136-04:00Well, I don't really suppose this is likely to...Well, I don't really suppose this is likely to have effect.www.muebleslarioja.muebles.cnhttp://www.muebleslarioja.muebles.cnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-15618357066259854892011-05-24T12:09:07.704-04:002011-05-24T12:09:07.704-04:00Unlike a previous somewhat puritanical negative co...Unlike a previous somewhat puritanical negative comment above, I got no problems or complaints either with Glenn Gould's romantic life or Cornelia Foss's romantic life.<br /><br />In USA and UK politics, we have long grown familiar with attacks on immoral extra-marital sexual behavior. <br /><br />And those loud public attacks are inevitably followed a very short time after by the revelations and exposes that the moralistic attackers were themselves engaged in tawdry extramarital affairs, sometimes heterosexual, sometimes homosexual, sometimes involving prostitutes.<br /><br />And now and then involving children.<br /><br />So the first thing I think when I see puritanical attacks is: How would the attacker's sexual behavior hold up under a microscope of public scrutiny?<br /><br />Glenn Gould and Cornelia Foss have made the world a more beautiful place with their music and art.<br /><br />Glenn Gould and Cornelia Foss have made the world a more beautiful place with their love. Was it messy? Sure. Love's messy. But they added love to the world. And that's a Good Thing.Vleeptron Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-56641703492278579022011-05-24T00:42:32.046-04:002011-05-24T00:42:32.046-04:00GG, regardless of his romances, morality and recl...GG, regardless of his romances, morality and reclusiveness, left his expressions of love for humanity in his work. Imagine if we would all do the same what Memorials we would now behold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-5072467209537644682011-03-02T01:06:46.527-05:002011-03-02T01:06:46.527-05:00They are fascinating Canadians, I am disappointed ...They are fascinating Canadians, I am disappointed there is no wiki for Cornelia Brendel Foss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-71446298773646407412011-01-10T21:34:52.501-05:002011-01-10T21:34:52.501-05:00Hi Most Recent Anonymous --
(Vleeptron very much ...Hi Most Recent Anonymous --<br /><br />(Vleeptron very much prefers that if you have something to say, you say it with your name, or your nick, or your blog url -- some indication that you're a real human being who backs up his or her opinions with a name and identity -- as I do.)<br /><br />Romantic and sexual love IS a mess. Your comments suggest that you think it's possible to go through love with a Hoover vacuum cleaner and the rules of Christian Holy Matrimony, and clean up the mess that people in love, and in lust, make.<br /><br />Last week PBS' "American Masters" series broadcast "The Genius Within: The Inner Life of Glenn Gould," and for the first time (I think) Cornelia Foss and her son and her daughter gave on-camera interviews about their memories of the years in which Cornelia left her husband and took the kids to live with Glenn Gould.<br /><br />The kids love their (recently deceased) dad. After the Gould affair, Cornelia went back to her conductor/composer husband with the kids. The family, and all its matrimonial virtues, resumed.<br /><br />The kids loved and missed Glenn Gould. He loved them, tutored them in their schoolwork, and left them with nothing but fond memories. They were intelligent and strong enough to withstand 5 years of a very common experience among artists -- falling in love with more than one person.<br /><br />Now the Foss children are in their 30s or 40s, and if their memories are any evidence, the experience of living through the affair of their mother and "Uncle Glenn" strengthened them and added dimension to their growing personalities.<br /><br />What's a mess? What causes harm to child and adult alike? Too much devotion and obedience to puritanical, Calvinist ideas about heterosexual matrimony.<br /><br />There are other nutritious models of human love.Vleeptron Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01913822255924924435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-72434925260365335072011-01-10T14:37:39.921-05:002011-01-10T14:37:39.921-05:00How unfortunate that Glenn Gould could not have fa...How unfortunate that Glenn Gould could not have fallen in love with a woman who was AVAILABLE and not become an adulterer. And how unfortunate for both Mr. Gould and Mrs. Foss's children (not to mention Mr. Foss) that she could not have abstained from messing up everyone's lives with their affair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-10327656452414343462011-01-10T14:37:28.276-05:002011-01-10T14:37:28.276-05:00How unfortunate that Glenn Gould could not have fa...How unfortunate that Glenn Gould could not have fallen in love with a woman who was AVAILABLE and not become an adulterer. And how unfortunate for both Mr. Gould and Mrs. Foss's children (not to mention Mr. Foss) that she could not have abstained from messing up everyone's lives with their affair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-12443898583405017312011-01-10T14:37:12.820-05:002011-01-10T14:37:12.820-05:00How unfortunate that Glenn Gould could not have fa...How unfortunate that Glenn Gould could not have fallen in love with a woman who was AVAILABLE and not become an adulterer. And how unfortunate for both Mr. Gould and Mrs. Foss's children (not to mention Mr. Foss) that she could not have abstained from messing up everyone's lives with their affair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-9177163999529100252010-11-30T04:22:43.124-05:002010-11-30T04:22:43.124-05:00Yikes. This darned site gave me an "unavail...Yikes. This darned site gave me an "unavailable" note ... and I reposted hoping it would go through. I didn't intend for it to go through THREE times. <br /><br />This is redundance beyond the pale. Sorry ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-30635086766273807652010-11-30T04:17:58.819-05:002010-11-30T04:17:58.819-05:00It's a terrific story. The paucity of hard fa...It's a terrific story. The paucity of hard facts and lurid tell-all details are part of the charm. I followed Gould's life very closely as a young girl in Montreal. I was fortunate enough to hear a live concert by Gould in Montreal towards the end of his performing career. I still have the autographed copy of that program. He was scheduled to play something else but at the last moment, agreed to play the Goldbergs ..... <br /><br /> I also have a beautiful letter he took the time to write to me when I asked if he would reconsider taking on a student since I'd just won a Canada Council grant and could presumably pay whatever fees necessary. He wouldn't take students but was gracious enough to write to me, by hand ... and wish me well. Such grace.<br /><br /><br /> Since Gould was not taking students my second choice was Juilliard. I tackled the Goldbergs that summer before heading down to New York for the first fall semester. I got through a mere ten of them. In September, I marched into my new teacher's studio, quite full of myself. The reaction I got was memorable. The teacher looked at me with horror ... and said "You play yoost like Glenn Goooooould ...." I beamed. "Und you boze play like schumucks ..." He chased me out of the class howling at me.<br /><br />It was a high point. The ultimate compliment. Although I later switched teachers. And suffered a nervous breakdown shortly before I graduated, playing on "automatic" since I could no longer read the notes. I never played the piano again.<br /><br />Now after 30 years, I'm walking the old paths ... picking up thread and memories. Now the music is on my piano and I pick out the notes ... and it's coming back. The demon is gone. And I'm fascinated by the treasures to be found online. The Utube clips and the amount of information there is now available. <br /><br />Naturally being curious about Gould's personal life, I found fragments here and there of a romance. And this delights me. The world of the artist is so very lonely. I spent most of my life isolated ... operating on a shallow social level ... with no human resonance on a deeper level. The level which creates and thinks and is so very rich. I love to think that somewhere in this odd genius's life there was, even for a few years ... that magical resonance, which at the end of it all, may be what is ultimately most precious.<br /><br />The lack of details, the very fragility of the tale is what is so delightful. We need nothing more .... only this wraith of romance ...<br /><br />I love this reprint. And your interesting post of Cornelia Foss's extraordinary painting of Gould done so recently. Who can doubt the love affair when so many years later, this image remains in Foss's mind and is brought to life again. Thanks ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-6916608007911755122010-11-30T04:16:26.687-05:002010-11-30T04:16:26.687-05:00It's a terrific story. The paucity of hard fa...It's a terrific story. The paucity of hard facts and lurid tell-all details are part of the charm. I followed Gould's life very closely as a young girl in Montreal. I was fortunate enough to hear a live concert by Gould in Montreal towards the end of his performing career. I still have the autographed copy of that program. He was scheduled to play something else but at the last moment, agreed to play the Goldbergs ..... <br /><br />I also have a beautiful letter he took the time to write to me when I asked if he would reconsider taking on a student since I'd just won a Canada Council grant and could presumably pay whatever fees necessary. He wouldn't take students but was gracious enough to write to me, by hand ... and wish me well. Such grace.<br /><br /><br />Since Gould was not taking students my second choice was Juilliard. I tackled the Goldbergs that summer before heading down to New York for the first fall semester. I got through a mere ten of them. In September, I marched into my new teacher's studio, quite full of myself. The reaction I got was memorable. The teacher looked at me with horror ... and said "You play yoost like Glenn Goooooould ...." I beamed. "Und you boze play like schumucks ..." He chased me out of the class howling at me.<br /><br />It was a high point. The ultimate compliment. Although I later switched teachers. And suffered a nervous breakdown shortly before I graduated, playing on "automatic" since I could no longer read the notes. I never played the piano again.<br /><br />Now after 30 years, I'm walking the old paths ... picking up thread and memories. Now the music is on my piano and I pick out the notes ... and it's coming back. The demon is gone. And I'm fascinated by the treasures to be found online. The Utube clips and the amount of information there is now available. <br /><br />Naturally being curious about Gould's personal life, I found fragments here and there of a romance. And this delights me. The world of the artist is so very lonely. I spent most of my life isolated ... operating on a shallow social level ... with no human resonance on a deeper level. The level which creates and thinks and is so very rich. I love to think that somewhere in this odd genius's life there was, even for a few years ... that magical resonance, which at the end of it all, may be what is ultimately most precious.<br /><br />The lack of details, the very fragility of the tale is what is so delightful. We need nothing more .... only this wraith of romance ...<br /><br />I love this reprint. And your interesting post of Cornelia Foss's extraordinary painting of Gould done so recently. Who can doubt the love affair when so many years later, this image remains in Foss's mind and is brought to life again. Thanks ...Nikki Tyhttp://NoRegretsy.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30829516.post-9340441086699107162010-11-30T04:15:30.048-05:002010-11-30T04:15:30.048-05:00It's a terrific story. The paucity of hard fa...It's a terrific story. The paucity of hard facts and lurid tell-all details are part of the charm. I followed Gould's life very closely as a young girl in Montreal. I was fortunate enough to hear a live concert by Gould in Montreal towards the end of his performing career. I still have the autographed copy of that program. He was scheduled to play something else but at the last moment, agreed to play the Goldbergs ..... <br /><br />I also have a beautiful letter he took the time to write to me when I asked if he would reconsider taking on a student since I'd just won a Canada Council grant and could presumably pay whatever fees necessary. He wouldn't take students but was gracious enough to write to me, by hand ... and wish me well. Such grace.<br /><br /><br />Since Gould was not taking students my second choice was Juilliard. I tackled the Goldbergs that summer before heading down to New York for the first fall semester. I got through a mere ten of them. In September, I marched into my new teacher's studio, quite full of myself. The reaction I got was memorable. The teacher looked at me with horror ... and said "You play yoost like Glenn Goooooould ...." I beamed. "Und you boze play like schumucks ..." He chased me out of the class howling at me.<br /><br />It was a high point. The ultimate compliment. Although I later switched teachers. And suffered a nervous breakdown shortly before I graduated, playing on "automatic" since I could no longer read the notes. I never played the piano again.<br /><br />Now after 30 years, I'm walking the old paths ... picking up thread and memories. Now the music is on my piano and I pick out the notes ... and it's coming back. The demon is gone. And I'm fascinated by the treasures to be found online. The Utube clips and the amount of information there is now available. <br /><br />Naturally being curious about Gould's personal life, I found fragments here and there of a romance. And this delights me. The world of the artist is so very lonely. I spent most of my life isolated ... operating on a shallow social level ... with no human resonance on a deeper level. The level which creates and thinks and is so very rich. I love to think that somewhere in this odd genius's life there was, even for a few years ... that magical resonance, which at the end of it all, may be what is ultimately most precious.<br /><br />The lack of details, the very fragility of the tale is what is so delightful. We need nothing more .... only this wraith of romance ...<br /><br />I love this reprint. And your interesting post of Cornelia Foss's extraordinary painting of Gould done so recently. Who can doubt the love affair when so many years later, this image remains in Foss's mind and is brought to life again. Thanks ...Nikki Tyhttp://NoRegretsy.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com