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31 March 2009

Shylock's speech from the First Folio / Bob = (probably) Wrong / patfromch = (probably) right / Klaus & Max's Hamlet / robots fling poop at Max

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Anonymous patfromch said...

Bob wrote:
he never intended any of his plays to be read as literature, these were exclusively plays to be performed. Two of his actors smuggled scripts out and published them as the First Folio without his permission

Nah, not to my knowledge. Longer versions of Hamlet and King Lear (and others) suggest that the plays were indeed intended for private reading, presumably at a later point. Since the first folio was printed 7 years after Shakepeares death and since Condell and Hemmings have left no working drafts it is not clear wether Shakespeare was involved. Scholars nowdays believe that he may have been involved to a certain extent but if how and where is not clear. (BTW Merchants is based on a good quarto, meaning that it is close to what Shakespeare had in mind and what the elisabethan audiences actually saw).

I dunno much, but I certainly know about my Willie....

As for the smuggling, from where to where do you mean ? That would be new to me, can you be a bit more prcise

Sorry about not making a comment on the actual subject, but I reckon thats what the comment section is for !


jesucristu go ahead, roll over my ignorance with your big truck. now back up and roll over me again.

i have no defense to make. you're (almost certainly) right and i'm (almost certainly) wrong.

Remember I was pushing you toward "Mephisto" with Klaus Maria Brandauer, from the novel by Klaus Mann (Thomas' son)?

One of the most remarkable sequences in the film is when Brandauer's character, the most popular stage actor in Germany, becomes director of one of the great theater companies, and as his first play, directs and stars in "Hamlet."

Just hurry up and rent it and watch it. They'll be speaking a lingo I think you're pretty familiar with.

Did I tell you about Max's "Hamlet" on MST3K (Mystery Science Theater 3000)? Mike Nelson and the robots beg the Evil Scientists on Earth to let them watch ANYTHING except another crappy cheap horrible sci-fi movie. ANYTHING! PLEASE!

So here's the movie the Evil Scientists force them to watch. Mike and the Robots really rip poor jung Maximilian a new one. (I wonder if he's ever watched his starring episode of MST3K ...)


Hamlet, Prinz von Dänemark (1961) (TV)
User Rating: 2.3/10 312 votes
Director: Franz Peter Wirth
Writers: William Shakespeare (play)
A.W. von Schlegel (translation)
Release Date: 1962 (USA)
Genre: Drama | Mystery

Plot: Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, returns home to find his father murdered and his mother remarrying the murderer, his uncle.

Plot Keywords: Hamlet | Poison | Play | Ghost | Knife

User Comments:
Murder, most foul.

Maximilian Schell ... Hamlet
Hans Caninenberg ... Claudius
Wanda Rotha ... Gertrude
Dunja Movar ... Ophelia
Franz Schafheitlin ... Polonius
Dieter Kirchlechner ... Laertes
Karl Michael Vogler ... Horatio
Eckart Dux ... Rosencrantz (as Eckard Dux)
Herbert Bötticher ... Guildenstern

1 comment:

Vleeptron Dude said...

okay are you here yet?

patfromch said...

Sorry, no offence meant. If I had a penny for every time I made a silly comet here on Vleeptron I could buy GM (and Fiat !) in no mistake ! And have some spare change left !


no offense taken, especially when you gift Vleeptron with your expertise and research. I just hate Not Being Perfect.


From an etymological point neither Merrian-Webster nor the Encyclopedia Britannica have something to say about the meaning of shylocking, other than it is a transive verb and that the term refers to Shakespeare. Which I find annoying, scholars have written a pile of books analyzing almost every word he wrote and contributed to the english language. Where are those linguists when you need one ?


I don't know what English (the UK country) or American dictionaries have to say about the usage of "shylock" and "shylocking," but I would guess that maybe 60 percent of American adults -- with all ranges of education, from high school dropout to university grads -- are familiar with the words as synonyms for excessive usery -- even though many might not know its origin in "Merchant."

Used as a synonym for a userer or a loan shark, a newspaper editor would consider him/herself forbidden from ever letting "shylock" or "shylocking" slip into print, because of its clear antisemitic association.

"Loan shark" is "ethnic neutral" -- it describes a criminal, extortionist activity, but doesn't blame it on any particular ethnic group.

The excessive interest a criminal loan shark charges is called "the vig," or "vigerish" (sp?). I don't know the origin of this word, but it's at least 40 or 50 years old. Most Americans aren't familiar with this term. If you know what it means, you're probably hanging around with the wrong crowd.