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20 October 2013

public broken-bottle brawl re the Boy Scout leaders Goblin Valley teaching experience


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    730 Comments [to Salt Lake Tribune story]

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    • 4 minutes ago

    i spent a month in Salt Lake City one weekend.

    (this joke was found carved on mesopotamian ziggurat circa 5100 BCE)
    • 17 hours ago

    i am struggling to believe these guys. and the new victim card is a nice touch (sarcasm)

        day_in_the_sun ammon1953
        • 17 hours ago

        Once, I was serving on a mission in Germany stationed in the army. I always felt, I was representing the US Army and the American people. I'm not big on scouting. I've never used a bowline mountaineering. You would think, they know their actions would reflect on scouting.

            ammon1953 day_in_the_sun
            • 17 hours ago

            you would think so. i am so embarrassed for the bsa. they (if they went to all the training they should) should know better. and i have to laugh about the comment that the video doesn't show the whole story; they took the video and put it on the internet. they must have thought the video explained the whole story.

            when were you in germany? my brother was there in stuttgart in the early 70's. i went over there the summer of 72 to be one of those american hippie bums.

                day_in_the_sun ammon1953
                • 17 hours ago

                I got to Germany in Feb 1973. I was in Frankfurt. There are times, I wish, I had stayed in Germany.

                    ammon1953 day_in_the_sun
                    • 17 hours ago

                    frankfurt is awesome. flew in and out of there and visited some of the local castles. did you get down to bavaria while you were there? i climbed the augspitz and the zugspitz.

                        day_in_the_sun ammon1953
                        • 16 hours ago

                        I went to Oberstdorf. I'm been to Munich. I hiked through Switzerland over the Alps to Locarno and into Italy.

                        We had a butter bar (2nd Lieutenant) come up with "adventure training. We ran for a couple weeks.

                        Then, we flew to a launch point on the Rhine River in Huey helicopters. We proceeded to set three OD green army rafts down the Rhine River.

                        We took off our uniforms and we pulled into small villages as we drifted down stream. We have a 2 1/2 truck following us, which we kept in communication with using Army PRC 23 radios call prick 23's.
                            Winston7ok day_in_the_sun
                            • 2 hours ago

                            I sang and danced with Julie Andrews in the Alps.
                            Doe a deer....I digress...
                            C'mon guys.
                    ChairmanMauzer day_in_the_sun
                    • 16 hours ago

                    I think my Dad was at Ramstein Air Force Base around that time.
                        day_in_the_sun ChairmanMauzer
                        • 16 hours ago

                        That was called "USAFE."
                            ChairmanMauzer day_in_the_sun
                            • 16 hours ago

                            Right you are.
                            dongleberry day_in_the_sun
                            • 40 minutes ago

                            Get a room
                                                   Really? ChairmanMauzer
                        • 14 hours ago

                        I watched the Sound of Music.

                        (Equally pertinent to this story!) :)
                            Mari Tatlow Steed Really?
                            • an hour ago

                            Ok, we'll stick with the SoM theme...the hills are no longer alive thanks to these three derps.

                    EliyahuBenYisroel day_in_the_sun
                    • 13 hours ago

                    Frankfurt is a great place. I spent part of 1969 stationed in Hanau with 3d Armored Div., about thirty clicks from Frankfurt 

                oxygen_isotope ammon1953
                • 14 hours ago

                KC Shaw wants $100 from me for friends of scouting. This doesn't build my confidence that it would be well spent.

                I say "would" because I'm through giving $$ to BSA.

                    ammon1953 oxygen_isotope
                    • 13 hours ago

                    friends of scouting money goes to the camps. if kc shaw asked me for $100, i would give him $200. he is awesome

                        oxygen_isotope ammon1953
                        • 2 hours ago

                        Hasn't KC asked you for it? We got that request from the pulpit in our ward.

                        KC is a great guy. It is scouting I'm sour on. I'm well aware that it goes to the camps--not the boys in the local troop--which doesn't help. The large salaries for council heads is one reason I'm sour.

                    Winston7ok oxygen_isotope
                    • 2 hours ago

                    Don't be a narrow-minded painter with only one broad brush.
                    Baby? Bathwater?
                    You know the drill.

                Winston7ok ammon1953
                • 2 hours ago

                I had a shrimp cocktail on the corner of Height and Ashbury, while Jerry Garcia lit and passed me his doobie.

        Jeannie Nunley Rasmussen ammon1953
        • 16 hours ago

        if they weren't laughing so much...they "might" be a little believable. And to think they let the kids play like that on that sandstone. What idiots.
            EgbertThrockmorton1 Jeannie Nunley Rasmussen
            • 13 hours ago

            These mental midgets, are scamming the public with their false claims of "making it safe".

I was in Scouting for 27 years consecutively(not in Utah) and served in LDS assignments on the Regional and Area level, as well as the Council level. I do not believe their claims from the video at all.

                RustyNail88 EgbertThrockmorton1
                • 12 hours ago

                I want another round of interviews with them. Can't wait to see what's tomorrow's story!!

                    Winston7ok RustyNail88
                    • 2 hours ago

                    These dopes are in very deep crud.

                Rianya EgbertThrockmorton1
                • 9 hours ago

                Their video contradicts their story.

                The first thing the do is boast about "changing Goblin Valley". Then he says "muscles here" did it -- obviously not dangerously loose, was it?
                It took more than one try to push the thing over -- in fact you hear one man saying "wiggle it" -- NOT an indication that it was about to fall and "crush" any children.

                In short -- these men are liars of the worst sort. They are liars who don't even accept their own evidence that disproves their lies. I'm wondering if there isn't some mental health issue here.

                flasher3333 EgbertThrockmorton1
                • 2 hours ago

                What does your LDS assignments have to do with anything?

        Winston7ok ammon1953
        • 3 hours ago

        Absolutely reprehensible beyond belief !!!
        What's next, Dip $#!+$ ?
        Tumbling Delicate Arch or Rainbow Bridge?
        Or maybe you can have a go at Bryce Canyon.

        The Taliban would love these guys. They're looking for dunderheads to tumble other antiquities, as they did the 1500 year old Buddha's of Bamiyan.

        *Ban them from Scouting.
        *Ban them from State and National Parks and Monuments
        *Ban them from the Gallivan Center.

        And ban them from anything which requires common sense.
        Good Grief!

        flasher3333 ammon1953
        • 2 hours ago

        Me too and they were worried that a gust of wind would topple that rock?
   wallst ammon1953
        • 41 minutes ago

        If he wasn't white the victim card would have worked.

    John Pace
    • 17 hours ago

    Their unmitigated jubilation when the ancient and wonderful rock fell says everything you need to know about their motivation.

        Fisch John Pace
        • 16 hours ago

        Agreed. The rock was in such imminent danger of falling and killing someone with a mere gust of wind, that it took what appears to be a 300-pound man considerable effort to knock it off of its perch.

The ensuing hillbilly-esque antics only demonstrates that they are extremely pumped about saving lives.


            juvserr Fisch
            • 15 hours ago

            Before I heard they were LDS, I would have been sure they were hammered drunk, that's the only rational reason I could think of as to why seeming adults could act so moronic.. maybe they were blitzed, who knows.
            Sandy_Man juvserr
                • 14 hours ago

                They say texting impairs one's driving skills as much as drunkeness. Apparently certain attitudes are as equally debilitating.

                EgbertThrockmorton1 juvserr
                • 13 hours ago

                Probably could have been hammered, even IF they are claiming to be active LDS.

                    jameskpolka  EgbertThrockmorton1
                    • 12 minutes ago

                    you don't have to ask for an LDS i.d. card to smell the fragrance of barley and hops on their breath. they just needed to show age i.d. to buy the 24-case of Bud for their wilderness picnic.

                    Or maybe it was Duff -- this looks very much like a Duff-inspired video.
        Pyrrho Nist John Pace
        • 12 hours ago

        And their organziation
        warorpeace John Pace
        • 12 hours ago

        I have seen far too many scout troops demolishing the outdoors and engaging in activities that are dangerous for the younger boys to think this is anything outside the norm for BSA. And now the activities are all approved by LDS local leaders. I wonder who is financially liable for the damages?

        Rianya John Pace
        • 9 hours ago

        That and them crowing about "changing Goblin Valley".

    Jack E Raynbeau
    • 17 hours ago

    Hall should have kept his mouth shut. Now we know for sure he's an idiot.

        Rarian Rakista Jack E Raynbeau
        • 11 hours ago

        Pretty sure the video was evidence enough of that.

    • 17 hours ago

    They have no respect for a treasure in which they are told NOT TO TOUCH! They can not keep them selves from telling lies. I would at least have some respect if they were repentant and admit they
defaced/vandalized when they are told not to in park. Hikers are warned of the danger and the fragile formations are to be respected!

        DemDatDuz pineconethoughts
        • 17 hours ago

        Their teen-aged children were playing a game of "lava" where they jump from formation to formation? My children were allowed to take pictures and walk all around a natural wonder, and if they got a hankerin' to climb like kids will do, they'd just have to wait until we were somewhere else.

Something tells me stupid starts at home with these people.

            juvserr DemDatDuz
            • 15 hours ago

            My thoughts exactly - I remember trying to climb the cherry trees in Washington D.C. and getting my ears boxed by my scoutmaster.. but these guys let the kids jump on 'loose' boulders?


            RustyNail88 DemDatDuz
            • 12 hours ago

            So the story gets better (or worse) ! Now they admit to having their scouts jumping from boulder to boulder - it was my understanding that you could not climb on these formations, or can you?

Even if you were allowed, it is not safe nor appreciative of the environment.

        moab mike pineconethoughts
        • 16 hours ago

        yes, a conciliatory moron is much easier to stomach than an arrogant rationalizing one.

            EgbertThrockmorton1 moab mike
            • 13 hours ago

            You are giving him far more intelligence by suggesting he is arrogant and rationalizing.

I've seen potatoes in the grocery store, with higher IQs' than these clowns.

                Rianya EgbertThrockmorton1
                • 10 hours ago

                The arrogance shines through, though. They had speshul knowledge that the formation was "dangerous" -- oh so dangerous. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a vision involved -- possibly even a new chapter of the Book of Mormon revealed at that very moment.

                    Winston7ok Rianya
                    • 2 hours ago

                    Give your bigotry a rest.
                    Stupidity knows no bounds, as you demonstrate with every post.

            hlouise moab mike
            • 3 hours ago

            i don't stomach them at all. i've been pilloried about my political comments but these arrogant repubs who have a sense of entitlement through the wards think it is ok for their foolishly raised kids to do whatever they think they want. i grew up in a staunch mormon neighborhood. the mopubs did what they wanted and the rest of us tried to do what was right..

    • 17 hours ago

    ""I think we made the right decision, but probably the wrong method," Hall said Friday. Wrong again Mr. Hall, you made a very poor decision. You may want to secure an attorney and keep your mouth shut.

        Rarian Rakista Xposit
        • 11 hours ago

        Republicans like Mr Hall keep saying that Democrats are destroying this country but it is people like Mr Hall who are literally destroying this country piece by piece.

            B1976 Rarian Rakista
            • 10 hours ago

            I don't remember reading about their political leanings. Do you always blame all the world's dumb acts on people you don't agree with politically?

            Rianya Rarian Rakista
            • 10 hours ago

            Since Mr. Hall is Mormon the odds are very high that he is, in fact, Republican -- possibly even a Teabilly.

                B1976 Rianya
                • 10 hours ago

                And so most Mormons, Republicans, Tea Party members, and conservatives would approve of

what Mr. Hall did? Is that your deductive logic here? Maybe I'm putting words in your mouth unfairly.

But if we are going to yolk our political opponents to idiots, the Unibomber was a Liberal Democrat.


                    Rianya B1976
                    • 10 hours ago

                    Yeah, you are putting words in my mouth. I was responding to Mr. Rakista's comment (which I now realize I read wrong). I thought he was claiming Mr. Hall was a Democrat and that
Democrats are destroying the country "piece by piece". Responding to you made me re-read it, though, and I realize now that Mr. Rakista knew already that Mr. Hall is most likely a Republican. But that
really was the extent of my comment. I don't often "imply" anything so if I haven't said it clearly then you are safe in assuming I didn't mean to say it. I have Asperger's and I am a little too literal to try and put messages between lines.

                    Utnomo B1976
                    • 9 hours ago

                    Most wouldn't care and would simply regard those rightfully pissed about this as a bunch of crybaby libs or some such thing.

                    Conservatives equate value with money and money alone. Rock formations have no monetary value (especially for themselves) so they have no value at all. They just don't care about
such things and don't care to understand what the fuss is about. This is the attitude that creates vermin like these and their little followers and lets them justify their least to themselves.

                        ctiffer Utnomo
                        • 2 hours ago

                        So, recently in the city I live in, there were some drive-by gang-gang-related

shootings in which some very young children were killed. Since the area that those reprehensible acts

took place are almost 100% Democrat, I guess I can use your same strained logic and state that

Democrats are in favor of reprehensible acts against children, because they don't put any value on

life. "They just don't care about such things and don't care to understand what the fuss is about".

"This is the attitude that creates vermin like liberals and their little followers and lets them

justify their least to themselves"

                    Michael Harris B1976
                    • 6 hours ago

                    and Ted Bundy was a republican, so what's your point? You want to do a comparison

of left and right criminals? McVey? I can go on for days.

                    Winston7ok B1976
                    • 2 hours ago

                    No they would not.
                    Nobody with half a brain condones these dope's actions.
                    They are an embarrassment to themselves alone.

            Winston7ok Rarian Rakista
            • 2 hours ago

            Put your politics down for just a moment, OK, Saul Alinski?

            Olleollo Rarian Rakista
            • 2 hours ago

            It's most likely true that these guys are Republicans, but why can't we keep politics out

of this?

            Golden Rule, right?

            All I know is that it's always a real drag when I see people's comments about left-wing

nut-jobs who despise children. I'm about as far left on the social-policy spectrum as they come and I'm

pretty sure I'm closer to being a dreaded socialist than I am to being one of those "free market"

capitalists, but I haven't eaten any children lately. I even have two that I try to keep fed and


            These guys are unmitigated menaces -- who have clearly mastered the art of junior-high

level back-tracking and excuse making (kudos!) when caught red-handed doing something against house

rules -- but I don't think their political leanings are relevant.

            I'm afraid that name-calling and death-threats are going to start getting these guys

unwarranted sympathy.

    • 17 hours ago

    These fools appear to be getting dumber by the minute. Maybe they assume that everyone is as

gullible as they are and believe the BS story that they were acting to keep people safe.

    Own up to your juvenile behavior and apologize, fully.

    Oh well, they're giving the prosecution plenty to run with.

    Lets hope the good ol' boys network doesn't win the day in this case.

        RustyNail88 ChairmanMauzer
        • 17 hours ago

        If a gust of wind was going to move it shortly, why did it take tubby as long as it did? Or is

he that out of shape that wind has more energy?

            EgbertThrockmorton1 RustyNail88
            • 13 hours ago

            He was able to expel flatulence to give him that extra bit of "power"...

    • 17 hours ago

    Utah White Trash - We have a tried and true saying around the West:
    "Idiot Utah Boy Scouts..."

    The worst, absolutely the worst, most clueless morons I've ever
    encountered in the back-country of the West are Utah boy scouts
    and especially their "leaders"...and here's yet another example of why these people are idiots.

        DemDatDuz moderate_in_sugarhouse
        • 17 hours ago

        Our Boy Scouts, thanks to this kind of local, thick-headed 'leadership,' have burned down

breathtakingly beautiful mountain forests and been drowned by the number in slot canyons in the south

and now I'm wondering how many Boy Scouts have witnessed natural formations being destroyed as a

'safety' measure by a really good person who was just a bit misguided by his intense love of children.

. .and wild animals, as he said.

            pcskier DemDatDuz
            • 16 hours ago

            Then there is leaving food and trash out at campsites leading to officials having to kill

bears, and in once case another Scout "Leader" being a "hero" like this numb-nuts and killing the bear

himself (said bear feasting on candy left out on the table by one of the cluess scouts being led by

this "Leader." Rule #1 in backcountry, don't leave food out. Unless you are a Utah scout.

                EgbertThrockmorton1 pcskier
                • 13 hours ago

                Oh, NOW you have done it! Inserting common sense into any comment about these slugs is

flat out wrong...:)

        Frank Justice moderate_in_sugarhouse
        • 17 hours ago

        It sounds harsh until I think of some of the scout leaders we have in my West Jordan


        Pyrrho Nist moderate_in_sugarhouse
        • 12 hours ago

        You're too kind to those idiots by calling them the worst. You haven't seen Boy Scouts in

action from the South...Texas to New Jersey

            Stepfordson Pyrrho Nist
            • 6 hours ago

            Dumbest thing Obama did was reopen the national parks at the urging of the Utah gov'nor.

Yes, I know this was a state park, but these are also the kind of Utah businessmen who were losing

their shirts because their political leaders refused to fund the government.

        Winston7ok moderate_in_sugarhouse
        • 2 hours ago

        Broad Brush again?

    • 17 hours ago

    If in Utah all dangerous rocks should be knocked down for safety reasons, we'll have "do gooders"

such as these pulling down every balanced rock, arch and hoodoo in the state and it still won't be

"safe" until we put a metal grate over every slot canyon.

    • 17 hours ago

    Sorry guys, but your argument about "dangerous" is a crock of cow crap. Quite trying to rationalize

your incredibly stupid actions and acept any forthcoming punishment.

        RustyNail88 ModerateDinosaur
        • 16 hours ago

        If I was him id stop talking. It just gets worse - his story actually made me think even worse

of him!

        AndyFelder ModerateDinosaur
        • 13 hours ago

        O I think we will just hear another excuse

        Stepfordson ModerateDinosaur
        • 6 hours ago

        They should be charged with reckless endangerment for doing what they were doing with minors -

they could have killed someone.

    • 17 hours ago

    Nobody is going to buy this BS. This looks like a classic example of someone doing something

stupid, then having an "oh %$%" moment when they realize this has become much bigger than they

anticipated, and is now desperately clinging to this ridiculous justification because they've panicked.

If a rock stands for millions of years, what is the likelihood that it is going to fall right as a

family walks beneath it. Also, people who are trying to protect the public aren't so obnoxious about


        DemDatDuz chester_drawers
        • 17 hours ago

        Death threats from all over the world will do that to you.

        Can you imagine Al Qeada emailing them,"Dear Satanic Americans. . .Death to America...but

c'mon, you've gone too far this time, seriously, go die, will you, this just p*sses us off!"

        Or a Somalian war lord: "Dear Christian Demons, you are evil and the reason we die willingly

every day to rid the Earth of your kind including fighting off Seal Team 6 last week. . . but you have

more ballz than we do with that story about vandalizing Mother Nature in order to protect innocent

children and wild animals! Wow. . .just Wow!!"

            ammon1953 DemDatDuz
            • 17 hours ago

            or the daughter of the nigerian undersecretary "i can tell by your decisive actions that

you are one that can help me get my father's $15 million out of our country. please, what is your bank

account number so we can deposit the money there?"

                Really? ammon1953
                • 14 hours ago

                Tell her to send a picture first.

            EgbertThrockmorton1 DemDatDuz
            • 13 hours ago

            "Death threats"? Really? Not a chance that is true either. Produce proof, Chubbies, or shut

                Winston7ok EgbertThrockmorton1
                • 2 hours ago

                With some lefty environmentalists?
                Of course it's plausible..

    • 17 hours ago

    P!ss-poor excuses for infantile behavior.

        Winston7ok mach_schnell
        • 2 hours ago

        There are no excuses, only twisted rationalizations from twisted minds.

    • 17 hours ago

    They'd better be charged.

        utahwild zionita
        • 16 hours ago

        Or what? You'll form a lynch mob? A media drive to destroy them? Protest in front of their

homes? Make senseless comments on internet boards until they rush over and prostate themselves at your

feet and proclaim you royalty?

            zionita utahwild
            • 14 hours ago

            No, I'll protest the prosecutor who didn't bring charges.

            1stedition utahwild
            • 13 hours ago

            Good grief. Don't you, too, think they should be charged with vandalism? Or is a mindless

stunt like this okay with you?

                KXKVI 1stedition
                • 12 hours ago

                Probably the same individual that posted on KSL under a different screen name: "It's

just a rock. Get over it."

                Winston7ok 1stedition
                • 2 hours ago

                Did he say that?

            Restricted utahwild
            • 12 hours ago

            Yes to all the above...derp

            Utnomo utahwild
            • 9 hours ago

            I doubt he wants any prostates at his feet. Heads maybe...

    Frank Justice
    • 17 hours ago

    It astounds me that the neanderthal is sticking to, and believing fiercely, his story that his

felonoius act of wanton destruction of our public lands was an act that saved the lives of children.

This sounds more unbelievable than a storyline from the cable show "Homeland."

        DemDatDuz Frank Justice
        • 17 hours ago

        Let's pray he doesn't put together another crew and walk through Bryce taking care of all those

teetering public health threats.

        RustyNail88 Frank Justice
        • 16 hours ago

        Same here. Id be like look, I made a bad call - il learn from it. But no, he says he will do it

again. That's what makes people angry.

            laytonian RustyNail88
            • 16 hours ago

            He's Utah's version of Ted Cruz.
            "I'll hold my breath until I get my way"

                Restricted laytonian
                • 15 hours ago

                We already have wayyyyyy to many versions of those here as it is... we dont need this

jowly old elf to pile on top with the rest of them.

                EgbertThrockmorton1 laytonian
                • 13 hours ago

                Cruz has multiple Ivy League degrees, and can speak plainly. Chubby and Bubba have

degrees of sunburn and that's about it, as there are carrots in any grocery store in Utah, that have

higher functioning intelligence than the combined brain cells of these three lumps.

                Winston7ok laytonian
                • 2 hours ago

                Do you ever tell the truth?
                Do you actually think that Ted Cruz would condone such behavior?
                Put down your "Rules for Radicals" tactics Saul Alinski, and be objective for once and

avoid your one note samba of political non-sequiturs..

            ForwardUtah RustyNail88
            • 15 hours ago

            Arrogant and ignorant is no way to go through life but I'm pretty sure that's where this

tea bagger is now and will be forever. If you're a tea bagger the world is your sandbox - and YOU not

mother nature is in charge.

        matt9898 Frank Justice
        • 16 hours ago

        Not nice to insult neaderthals....

    • 17 hours ago

    Keep your brats off of the rock formations. What do you think the trails are for?
    The Absent Minded Housewife
    • 17 hours ago

    You don't play "lava" on the hoodoos. Look, don't touch, morons.

        This comment [from EFIS] was deleted.

            The Absent Minded Housewife EFIS
            • 16 hours ago

            I can't imagine what you could mean.

                pcskier The Absent Minded Housewife
                • 16 hours ago

                I believe he is referring to the rather voluptuous photo you are using on your profile.

                    The Absent Minded Housewife pcskier
                    • 15 hours ago

                    Anyone can be voluptuous with polyester fiberfill and a lack of decorum. I used to

sell them on Ebay.

                EFIS The Absent Minded Housewife
                • 16 hours ago


            Jeannie Nunley Rasmussen EFIS
            • 16 hours ago

                EFIS Jeannie Nunley Rasmussen
                • 16 hours ago

                Be of good cheer.....ChairmanMauzer didn't get it either.

                    Restricted EFIS
                    • 16 hours ago

                    Don't think you will ever "get it" either

                        EFIS Restricted
                        • 16 hours ago

                        Oh hahaha.....grow a pair, will ya.

                            Restricted EFIS
                            • 16 hours ago

                            Won't fit in the current attire.

                                EFIS Restricted
                                • 16 hours ago

                                I like it - it's sluttier than your last suits you....

                                    Restricted EFIS
                                    • 16 hours ago

                                    SL-UT ah my home town... sadly.

                                        EFIS Restricted
                                        • 16 hours ago

                                        LOL - good one!

                            The Absent Minded Housewife EFIS
                            • 12 hours ago

                            Grow a pair, stuff a pair, what's the difference?

                                EFIS The Absent Minded Housewife
                                • 12 hours ago


                    ChairmanMauzer EFIS
                    • 16 hours ago

                    Oh, I got it.

    preston simms
    • 17 hours ago

    the Only Thing They Will Get Is Talked To By The Bishop

        ammon1953 preston simms
        • 17 hours ago

        i don't think so. this is becoming big enough that i (hope) believe they will suffer

repercussions from bsa and the state.

            danolgb ammon1953
            • 14 hours ago

            BSA maybe, but there are pics of Shurtleff with Dave at Dave's house and we know how the

state AG office works. If you're a friend of Shurtleff, you're a friend of Swallow.

        Hucklenator preston simms
        • 11 hours ago

        I'm thinking he will get nothing but support at church. And more high fives.
            itchy Hucklenator
            • 2 hours ago

            I'm guessing you post things like that to troll responses. Or are you really so stupid that

you believe what you say?

    • 17 hours ago

    Given the statement, "Their teens, he said, "were playing a game called lava. You see who can get

furthest in the park leaping from top of rock to top of rock without touching the ground. …", it sounds like respect of nature and the environment is not something they are teaching their troops.

    • 17 hours ago

    I made the decision that lives are more important than this rock staying here a few more hours....

Now that's a true mo_ron. Lil fella, don't think... You are not good at it. Stick with wearing

sandles... No ties...

    • 17 hours ago

    I don't believe much of what these guys say, and I really don't believe they are getting any

serious death threats. I think that is probably an attempt to make themselves appear more sympathetic.

They did an extremely stupid thing. I asked my teenaged, Varsity Scout son what he would do if he say a

rock formation in a park that he thought was dangerously loose. He said he would report it the rangers.

If he can figure it out . . .

        laytonian teancum
        • 16 hours ago

        Since there are signs telling you not to touch or climb the Goblins, how would you know one was


            cuteizzy21 laytonian
            • 3 hours ago

            Jumping form one rock to another (lava game) will probably loosen a few. The effort he used

in pushing that rock over makes me believe it was not as loose as they would have us believe.

    • 17 hours ago

    Excuses are fun aren't they Dave but we all know you were just getting your jollies in a most

pathetic way.

    Hope you enjoy the notoriety... you piece of excrement.

    • 17 hours ago

    While I don't believe he should be getting death threats over this...Does anyone reading this buy

that pathetic excuse of a story he's telling. A day has pass and this story is getting more fabricated

by the hour. I mean come on...that video speaks for itself.

        Restricted TaterNutts
        • 17 hours ago

        Kinda like lyin for the lard... whatever helps ya sleep at night right Dave.

        Pathetic waste of skin.

        Guest TaterNutts
        • 13 hours ago

        actually his reaction should be judged carefully, seeing a rock that big tip over would release

a surge of adrenaline causing them to react in excitement as they did. So although it seems

disingenuous the way they 'high fived' it is actually reflective of the adrenaline surge than anything

else. In the end, the lives of children are more important than rocks.
            Restricted Guest
            • 12 hours ago

            Not yours or their call and its lies anyway so go throw sock in it... and by the way dont

come by my house looking for donations to BullSA

                scout support Restricted
                • 12 hours ago

                It's just a rock, it's still 200 million years old except now it has a new spot 'down


                    Rianya scout support
                    • 10 hours ago

                    It's a destroyed rock formation that stood for eons and would have remained

standing for centuries longer -- barring an earthquake or an idiot Mormon thinking they know better

than trained professionals because they're taught every twinge of heartburn is a message from the Lord.
                    Restricted scout support
                    • 9 hours ago


                    Utnomo scout support
                    • 8 hours ago

                    Do us all a favor and don't go near anything you don't understand which is pretty

much everything.

            Rianya Guest
            • 10 hours ago

            Begging the question. There is zero reason to believe anyone's life was in danger --


                Stepfordson Rianya
                • 5 hours ago

                They were endangered by their illegal activity within the park. Every jump on a

formation is an illegal activity. It is no different from jumping from tombstone to tombstone; and the

risk of damage to either the minors or the edifice is the same.

        ILV4FTBL TaterNutts
        • 11 hours ago

        I wonder if they caused more damage that is not on video. I bet it is not the first rock they

pushed over.

    • 17 hours ago

    Yes, you probably are getting threats. Given your lack of respect and common sense and the need to

boost about your poor judgment, all with your Scouts in tow. What did you actually think the public

would think??? You were in a ROLE model position and had the opportunity to teach our youth how we

respect nature and properly go about alerting Park Officials and allowing them to make the decision!

You are an embarra̲s̲s̲ment to your family, faith and community!

        ghoulie Babyboomer
        • 17 hours ago

        They were saving lives!! ha ha, what is the problem here?

    • 17 hours ago

    The pathetic poor me victim might work in Fast & Testimony meeting or with your Bishop but not with

the general population. This was a State Park and had nothing to do the Federal Shutdown. Ignorance is

bliss for these idiots from Utah County

    • 17 hours ago

    We were running down the street, naked, to save the Earth from invading zombies and a dog ran out

and grabbed my back pack and ate my homework, made me late for work, caused my wife to leave me and not

pay my taxes.

    It's not my fault!

        ForwardUtah DemDatDuz
        • 15 hours ago

        So much for the party and church of "personal responsibility" - I guess that only the case when someone is watching.

    Too much fluff

    Stink-(I) — Been "biting" us since we lost the Fairness Doctrine.
    Letter: GOP is desperate, cowardly, suicidal

       6 hours ago
    Tumbleweed — Hey, the gov. was shaky. We just tried to topple it so no one would get hurt and need

health care.Makes …
    Second land art sculpture graces Green River

    BjTp — remember this is Utah, someone will probably push it over.
    Letter: Booted from Senate, Lee will need health care
    bgugin — I look at the AHCA as a starting point to clean up the corrupt Health BS we are forced to

live with under the …

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